I'll never forget the conversation I have with myself that day when I found myself four hours later using heroin again and drinking, drinking alcohol using heroin.

And I was like, that's it, dude, you're done.

This is how you're going to die. You can't stop. You have no idea how to stop.

And so let's just go as hard as we can until it happens. So like let's make this fast.

And I saw myself in the mirror and I looked at myself in the eyes and I was like, I fucking hate you.

You, you, you are, you should, you should, you should end it now. You should jump out the window.

Michael Chernau.

Michael Chernau.

Thanks for doing this man. Stoked. Just for the audience I want to give a little

background because this is this is when we first met this is the thing that stood out to me and

you'll hopefully remember

this so obviously you've got creatures of habit your latest company you've

had a lot of businesses and and and made a lot of money, building and selling businesses,

primarily in the restaurant space.

Talk a lot about that.

Because I think the journey into that whole world,

I don't think a lot of people know just

how kind of crazy the restaurant world is,

bartending, restaurant, the kitchen scene.

Just about as tough as it gets.

Yeah, I mean, you know, the world's like, yeah, that Anthony Bourdain, he was kind of fucked up for a second, right? Well, I mean you know the world's like yeah that Anthony Bourdain he was kind of

fucked up for a second right well I mean it turns out it's a it's a wild world but so as

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