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The Bulwark Podcast

Bill Kristol and Jane Fonda: The New 'Fierce Urgency of Now'

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.6 • 8.9K Ratings

🗓️ 6 October 2025

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

ICE is intentionally provoking violence in the nation’s cities and then glorifying it with their crack video team. Meanwhile, the rhetoric coming from Trump true believers about their desire for a ‘benevolent’ authoritarian strongman is truly alarming. But governors and members of the judiciary are behaving like we still have a republic —and that the insurrectionist president can’t just deploy Guard troops in whatever state he wants. Plus, the Dems should consider broadening their aims with the shutdown, and Jane Fonda is reviving her father’s McCarthy-Era free expression group.

Jane Fonda and Bill Kristol join Tim Miller.

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Hello and welcome to the bulwark podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. A few housekeeping items.

0:57.4

A few things to be excited about. We have a new member of the Bullwark coming here in a couple weeks, but the news is out. It's Catherine Rampel. She was an economics columnist for the Washington Post and a co-hosts of the weekend on MSNBC. She's a new mother, so she's been out on maternity leave.

0:55.0

But when she's back, she's coming back with us with a new newsletter focused on economics.

0:59.2

She's been on the show several times, but she'll be appearing on here more to talk about

1:04.0

all things that are happening with the economy, which I think is going to be a big, big story

1:07.7

in 2026 and beyond.

1:10.0

You might remember her from daring Scott Jennings to do the

1:13.9

Elon Musk-Kittler salute on CNN a couple months ago. She's Spitfire. She's great. We love Catherine.

1:20.7

So excited to have her on board. And if you're not, you know, subscribe to our newsletters.

1:25.3

This is your time. Go to the Bullwark.com and get signed up on the newsletters as well. I mentioned this periodically. We believe this bulwark takes feed now for folks who need even more than the daily podcast. Sometimes it's just rapid response stuff to the news. Sometimes it's other interviews that just kind of don't fit into our podcast timeline. Today's guest, Bill Crystal, does on every Sunday, a live interview that goes on to that

1:46.7

feed this Sunday who's with Ryan Goodman of Just Security, some very serious legal talk about

1:51.4

Trump's foreign and domestic military actions.

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