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Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Delighted. Welcome back, a anchor and Chief Washington correspondent for CNN. He's the author of a new book, Race Against Terror, Chasing an Al-Qaeda killer at the dawn of the Forever War. That book is out today. You might have heard of him. He's Jake Tapper. What's up, Jake? Hey man. Did J.D. Vance call you a dipshit?

No.

J.D. Vans called John Favro a dipshit.

And I'm honored that you also confused me.

I was at a coffee shop in... Somebody else thought that?

No, I was in a coffee shop in Covington, Louisiana. And a guy, it's kind of, you know, pretty red area of Louisiana.

And a very excited guy walked up to me. It was like last weekend, two weekends ago, and was like, you're John Favro. And I was like, thank God. He didn't think I was Dan Fifer, you know, or love it. So I'll take it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I just, I mean, I knew it was an elevated rank of the somebody, the vice president would be calling

it. I mean, Megan Kelly, like, blamed me for, you know, assassinations and stuff. So, you know, it's, everybody's getting, everybody's getting arrows these days. I do not think you're responsible for the violence in this country. Thank you, Jake. I don't either. I'm doing my best out here, you know? And also, I just have to say, like, I don't want to wait into you and Megan can hash it out yourselves, but like, I really hate this us versus them thing that I see on social media more and more and more as if that would that, like, I'm not part of us or them. Like, I don't know and I don't like it when people are assigning me to be in any group.

Like I believe in what I believe in and I am not like no one else is involved in what I believe on. No, it's crazy. This is basically me and Megan we're fighting about because I don't mind being put in a group. I'm a never trumper. You can put me in that group. But like there are other never Trumpers that might do bad things. And I'm not responsible for that. I'm an individual where

we live in a liberal democracy. We're all responsible for our own actions, you know? I'm a lapsed Catholic. There's some good lapsed Catholics and bad laps Catholic. I'm a gay. There's some good gays and bad gays. You know, that's just life. And frankly, we all contain good and bad inside of us, you know? We contain multitudes. So anyway, I don't love it. I don't love it either. And it seems to be getting worse, not better. But you, Jake, I want to do the book. But first, you had a, I guess you had an interview with the recent, we assume it was with the recent presidents. Do we have a picture of him texting

you? Do we have evidence? Because it was text. So do we know it was him and not Scavino? I know it's his phone number. I mean, like I've talked to him on that number and I believe it was him. Now, was it Scavino replying for him? I don't know, but I assume it was him because every, let me just also say, like, I text people all the time. I'm aware. And politicians a lot. Just, just like, what do you think about this? What do you think about that? And like, you know, 50% of the time they respond, 50% of the time they don't, whatever. It's a little more for you. You get a little bit. Well, I don't know. But for when it, like, I, you know, I you know, I have the president's number and I text him on occasion and I try to get an interview with him and I try to... Whatever. And I think that differentiates me not at all from any other reporter that has his number. Do you ever try to call FaceTime? Do you ever try a cold FaceTime? Can we do that right now? Can we try to FaceTime him right quick? I don't know that he has face-time. This is honestly, like, I just think that we are headed in terms of this peace

proposed ceasefire deal to an impasse, which is Hamas does not want to give up power. You know,

the Arab League has called for them to give up power. Like, this is where it's all going to crumble because I don't think that they want to be whisked to

some desert island off the coast of Saudi Arabia where they could live out their days in luxury.

I think that they want to be ruling Gaza and then Israel with an iron fist.

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