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Joining me now, former Attorney General and author of the new book,

One Damn Thing After Another, Memoirs of an Attorney General, William Barr, great to have you with us.

Thanks, Martha. Great thing. It's a good title. Did you feel that way?

I did feel that way. Yeah, definitely.

Well, you know, one of the things that I wanted to ask you off the bat, because you say some really interesting things about Ukraine.

And one of the things that has struck me lately is that all of these tangents, whether it's Russia collusion or Hunter Biden and Burisma or the Zelensky phone call,

it all, even though a lot of it was hyped up or false,

it stems back, it's rooted in Ukraine's desire to be part of NATO

and Russia's desire to be sure that that never happened.

Right.

So here we are now.

What do you think about that?

I actually think that Russia Gate not only was a great political injustice to Trump, where he was the victim of that, but I think it's set the stage for what we're seeing right now.

Because I think our chief enemy or our chief rival and the danger going forward is China.

And it was not in our interest to have China and Russia together and try to face the two of them or to drive Russia toward China.

And everyone understood that.

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