So first they came and told us we couldn't speak our language.

Then they whacked us for speaking our language.

Now they've taken our language and want to sell it back to us.

You have no better example of colonization than that,

except what they did with the land, which is pretty much the same thing.

Music Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Keone Mahalona.

Keone is the chief technology officer at Tehiku Media.

Now, I've been aware of Keone's work for a while because Wired published an article on Tehoku Media and the work that they've been doing, I guess, a couple of years ago now.

And I read that and was fascinated by it and just kind of left

it there. And I always wanted to find out more, but kind of couldn't bring myself to do it.

So earlier this year, I was in New Zealand or Aoteiroa, which is the Maori name for the country,

as we use a lot in this conversation. And I mentioned on the podcast that I was going to be in the country and Keone actually reached out to me

and wanted to see if we wanted to meet up or have a chat or anything like that while I was in the

country and I was more than happy to do it. And to be honest, I was quite excited that he reached out

to me and so I could learn more about this kind of project that I had read a few articles about

over the past couple of years and

certainly wanted to know more about. And I think that it is important, especially in this moment,

to have this conversation with someone like Keone, because obviously there's all this hype

around AI once again, and the question of how it's going to transform society and what it

actually means for us. And I think that in this conversation,

we get a bit of a different perspective on how these technologies might be used from an indigenous

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