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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

Biden’s abortion clash with the Catholic Church

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

News, Government, Politics

4.01.6K Ratings

🗓️ 10 September 2021

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

What does it mean to be the nation’s second Catholic president? Playbook co-author Ryan Lizza talks with senior staff writer Ruby Cramer about how Joe Biden balances a very public role with the “private matter” of his faith at a time of deep division over abortion, and among the bishops in his own church.Ryan Lizza is a co-author of POLITICO Playbook.Ruby Cramer is a senior staff writer at POLITICO magazine.Adrienne Hurst is a producer for POLITICO audio.Annie Rees is a producer for POLITICO audio.Jenny Ament is senior producer for POLITICO audio.Irene Noguchi is the executive producer of POLITICO audio. Read Ruby’s piece in Politico Magazine here: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/05/joe-biden-catholic-church-509396  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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With Biden, there's always been a presumption.

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This is almost unspoken rule that for him,

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mass is so sacred and his church is so sacred

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that it is an incredibly private space.

0:16.0

I'm Ryan Liza, this is Playbook Deep Dive.

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It just feels like a weirdly personal moment

0:23.0

that you're kind of like observing through a literal fence.

0:26.0

It has a fishable element that plays out so literally

0:29.0

as to almost be ridiculous.

0:31.0

As a rule dating back to the election,

0:34.0

the reporters who follow the president

0:36.0

go pretty much everywhere with him,

0:38.0

except two places,

0:40.0

inside his home and inside his church.

0:44.0

Communion is this, for Catholics,

0:46.0

a literal moment before God,

0:48.0

and that's as personal as you can get.

0:50.0

But it's also the President of the United States occupying

0:53.0

this like incredibly public role

0:56.0

of being the nation's second Catholic president.

0:59.0

Joe Biden's trips to St. Joseph on the Brandywine,

1:02.0

the pale yellow church in Delaware,

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