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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

Pelosi vs. everybody: Dems’ high-wire health care act

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

News, Government, Politics

4.01.6K Ratings

🗓️ 17 September 2021

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

As Democrats' massive reconciliation bill makes its way through the machine, one item is getting all the attention right now: health care. It’s a fight that basically boils down to Nancy Pelosi versus … everyone else — with the legacies of Pelosi, Sanders and Biden at stake. Playbook co-author Rachael Bade and POLITICO's Alice Miranda Ollstein take us to Capitol Hill, where the knives are coming out: leaders fighting behind closed doors about policies they've agreed on for years — or thought they did — and plenty on the line: $3.5 trillion, the future of the Affordable Care Act and dueling visions for the Democratic Party. Rachael Bade is a co-author of POLITICO Playbook.Alice Miranda Ollstein is a health care reporter at POLITICO. Adrienne Hurst is a producer for POLITICO audio.Annie Rees is a producer for POLITICO audio.Raghu Manavalan is a senior editor for POLITICO audio.Jenny Ament is senior producer for POLITICO audio.Irene Noguchi is the executive producer of POLITICO audio. We want to invite you to take our NEW listener survey — it helps us learn more about your interests and improve our content. What do YOU want to hear from Politico’s podcasts? Let us know at https://bit.ly/3zgKB30 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I just keep thinking of this being like Democrats high stakes healthcare gambit just putting every single thing they want to do into one package where they can barely lose any votes to pass it and it's sort of like this high wire healthcare act.

0:16.0

I was thinking about this earlier and it was like okay, it's totally Bernie in his loud megaphone versus Pelosi and her velvet-laced iron fist.

0:26.0

Oh, there you go.

0:30.0

I'm Rachel Bade. This is Playbook Deep Died.

0:34.0

As the Democrats' massive reconciliation bill makes its way through the machine, the one part that's getting the most attention right now, healthcare.

0:42.0

And that's because it's a fight that basically boils down to Nancy Pelosi versus everyone else.

0:48.0

Who wins this one? Where do you put your money?

0:51.0

I mean, people don't tend to bet against Pelosi.

0:55.0

Right, never bet against Nancy.

0:57.0

But Bernie's never had this much actual power, so...

1:01.0

So anything could happen.

1:06.0

Alice Miranda Olstein is a healthcare reporter at Politico.

1:09.0

This really feels like we're getting into a period as intense as 2017 when Republicans kept trying to repeal the Affordable Care Act and their plans kept falling apart.

1:21.0

This time around though, it's sort of the reverse.

1:23.0

It's easy to be in the minority and yell and scream.

1:27.0

It's harder to be in the majority and actually govern.

1:30.0

Democrats seem to be a little more have their shit together.

1:35.0

Can I say that?

1:36.0

Apps of fucking Lutley.

1:38.0

You know, I've been covering Hill for 10 years.

1:41.0

And this is the first time I've ever covered Democrats controlling everything in Washington.

1:45.0

Unlike Republicans who typically duke it out in public all the time,

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