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Between Trump and the Snake Moat

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News, News Commentary, Politics

4.56K Ratings

🗓️ 4 October 2019

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

How independent can a Trump cabinet official be? Acting DHS chief Kevin McAleenan is testing the limits.

Guest: Nick Miroff, Washington Post reporter covering immigration enforcement and the Department of Homeland Security.

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0:00.0

Last month, the president went to San Diego to check out how his border wall was coming along.

0:09.0

And you'll see it's a combination of steel concrete.

0:12.0

And as one of the folks you said, it really is virtually impenetrable.

0:17.0

He stood in front of stacks of metal poles and talked about the cement and rebar that made the slats for his wall impossible to cut through.

0:25.6

He talked about the special heat-absorbing design that made the wall sizzling to the touch.

0:31.5

Trump said the government had even hired mountain climbers to test the wall out.

0:36.1

And some of them were champions and we gave them different prototypes of walls.

0:40.7

And this was the one that was hardest to climb.

0:42.5

We've all seen the pictures of young people climbing.

0:48.1

This week, we learned the president had other ideas for how to beef up security along the U.S.

0:53.8

Mexico border.

0:55.3

He reportedly suggested building a moat along one side of the wall, filling it with snakes and

1:00.8

alligators. He suggested opening fire on migrants, shooting them in the legs.

1:10.4

At one point, he also mused about arming U.S. forces with bayonets.

1:16.6

Nick Miroff reports on Homeland Security for the Washington Post.

1:19.9

He thought that you could have a kind of a human wall.

1:23.2

If he couldn't get a wall built in time, he would deploy a human wall of soldiers or U.S. border patrol agents who would wield bayonets to keep the migrants back.

1:37.0

Presidential aides didn't take many of these ideas very seriously.

1:41.2

And these are the real people. These are the workers that put up the wall, by the way.

1:45.0

All of these guys...

1:46.0

But at the border last month, Nick says, you could see how what started out as a presidential

1:50.6

brainstorm was becoming reality.

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