This is CBS I In The World. I'm John Bachelors. I'm speaking with Jessica Pierce and Mark

Backhoff. Their new book is a dog's world imagining the lives of dogs in a world without

humans. Without humans, that's important here. There's going to be a transition and

then soon there will be dogs around the planet without humans feeding them or bothering

them or abusing them or expecting them to look a certain way. They'll have longer snouts

likely. They'll run likely. They'll be of medium weight unless there's a necessity

for heavy weights. They'll move in packs. But reproduction. Jessica, I come to you because

one of the striking details about dogs today is the the paternal member, the parent father

does not is not encouraged to stick around or doesn't stick around. And you and Marker

are speculating imagining that there would likely be a change when dogs are alone. So

it wouldn't just be the maternal. It'd be the paternal as well. Did I read that correctly,

Jessica? You did. In the way dogs, particularly pet dogs or dogs who are highly controlled

by humans, we hijack their reproductive process in various ways and one of the ways in

which we do that is taking puppies away at the what we consider the perfect age for puppy

acquisition eight weeks or so. So you'll see people say, well, dogs don't have father parental

behaviors because we don't see male dogs engaging in parenting of puppies. But that's

it's not because they can't or won't. It's because we don't give them the opportunity

to do that. And it's, you know, in studies, there aren't very many, but a few studies of

free ranging dog parenting behaviors. Males do sometimes play a role. So do what are called

the alloparent. So aunts and uncles and older siblings will all probably have a role in

the raising of puppies because, you know, it takes a village. Mark, if does take a village,

how are the puppies to be protected without humans? And they do this very well in the wild,

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