We have to recognize that a really nicely designed world yields a lot of your

independence and you have to trust the designer to be there with you and to

have your interests and and to let's go with some of the things that are

important to you like your car for example from a

TED audio collective this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman. For 17

years Debbie Millman has been talking with some of the world's most creative

people about what they do how they got to be who they are and what they're

thinking about and working on and now some of those interviews appear in

print in Debbie's brand new book Why Design Matters? Conversations with the

world's most creative people. It's coming out in February of 2022. In

anticipation of the book every Thursday we're going to be releasing an

interview from the archives in addition to our new episodes that come out on

Mondays. We thought it would be fun for listeners to hear not only some great

interviews but also to hear how the podcast has evolved over the years. In

April of 2012 Debbie interviewed Roman Mars about his design podcast 99

percent invisible about creating new work in an old medium and about the

intimacy of audio. When you talk to someone and reach into someone's brain

through sound it just works. A lot of it is just getting out of the way and

allowing that connection to happen. Roman Mars after the break.

There's another podcast you might enjoy it's called Am I Normal from the TED

Audio Collective? It's back with a new mini series all about the stories behind

the statistics. What does adulthood mean in a place where more than three

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