Ted Audio Collective.

This archival episode of Design Matters originally dropped in September of 2023.

Creativity rather than being a high order rarefied quality is actually very primitive.

It's actually elemental. It's so elemental that we can actually

make machines do it. From the TED Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

For 18 years, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative people

about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, Kevin Kelly talks about technology,

creativity, and AI.

These large language models cannot make art that's not tethered to language. You come to the New Yorker Radio Hour for conversations that go deeper.

With people you really want to hear from, whether it's Bruce Springsteen or Questlove or Olivia Rodrigo.

Liz Cheney, or the godfather of artificial intelligence, Jeffrey Hinton,

or some of my extraordinarily well-informed colleagues at the New Yorker.

So join us every week on the New Yorker radio hour wherever you listen to podcasts. Kevin Kelly is

is radically optimistic about the future.

What about climate change, you might ask?

Well, Kevin Kelly thinks that new technologies can foster a more favorable

trajectory. What about artificial intelligence? He says it will usher in a new era of services and products and occupations.

In short, Kevin Kelly is betting on humanity and our extraordinary ability to adapt and innovate.

Kevin Kelly is also a person who thinks a lot about the future.

Almost 30 years ago he helped co-found and was the executive editor of Wired magazine,

where he currently holds the title of Senior Maverick.

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