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This archival episode of Design Matters originally dropped in September of 2023.

Rightous anger, anger and injustice, unfairness, pain, cruelty is an energy cell.

And if we look at it that way this is a gift this is energy I can use.

From the TED audio collective this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

For 18 years, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative people about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, Gloria Steinum talks about the past and the future.

Optimism is a form of planning. talks about the past and the future.

Optimism is a form of planning.

If we don't imagine something positive that is possible,

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She is an award-winning journalist, a New York Times best-selling author, several times over, a co-founder of one of the most significant magazines of the 20th century,

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For over 60 years, she has been in the thick of American

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