Ted Audio Collective.

This archival episode of Design Matters originally dropped in November of 2023.

Obviously, you shouldn't say that to an eight-year-old.

It was a defining moment in my life,

but I'd be lying if I said it was all hardship.

It was very sad, very wounding, but in a way it was also freeing.

From the TED Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

For 18 years, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative people

about what they do, how they got to be, who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on. On this episode, Isaac Fitzgerald

talks about growing up poor and about his coming of age memoir.

I was like, oh yeah, but they're jerks, they're rich,

like I had this real class chip on my shoulder. You come to the New Yorker Radio Hour for conversations that go deeper with people you really want to hear from, whether it's Bruce Springsteen or Questlove or

Olivia Rodrigo.

Liz Cheney, or the godfather of artificial intelligence, Jeffrey Hinton, or some of my

extraordinarily well-informed colleagues at the New Yorker.

So join us every week on the New Yorker radio hour, wherever you listen to podcasts. As long time listeners know, I do a lot of research for this podcast. I go deep on

internet searches. I read, listen, and transcribe other interviews. I try and

unearth forgotten early work. I don't call my guests, friends, or parents, or

former teachers, but by the time I interview someone I feel like I know

their friends and parents and former teachers. Research is something I love most

about creating this podcast almost as much as the actual interview.

This week my guest made it a little bit easier for me.

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