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Really until I figured out that I was gay and I was like,

okay, this all makes a lot more sense.

Everything.

Oh, I swear.

Wasn't there like a field hockey coach?

You're like, hmm.

I mean, I still invested in being a little bit of a weirdo,

but like really, I was so weird.

From the TED Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

For 19 years, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative

people about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're

thinking about and working on. On this episode we're breaking format and in celebration of gay pride month we're going to hear excerpts from some recent interviews Debbie has done.

I would love a tub of bark.

It was a truly virginal version.

I was trying to talk myself back into the closet.

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One of my deepest curiosities is how people become who they are, professionally and personally.

As a gay woman who came out much later in life, I'm curious about how some of my

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