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Hello, welcome to Zikrunch on the Vox Media podcast network.

Here at the end of the year, I'm taking a little bit of a break.

We are putting up a couple of my favorite episodes.

And this one we did a couple of years ago.

I guess it can't be that long because it shows only a couple of years old.

But I really admire the person in it.

So this is an episode of Brian Stevenson.

He's founder of the Equal Justice Initiative.

He has saved a lot of people who were wrongly convicted from death row.

He does a million other things.

But you meet people sometimes who are just operating on a higher level than everybody else who are just doing, I think, better work, who see somehow more spiritually and morally advanced, who have that just quality of judgment and compassion and calm.

That just is different.

And he was one of these people.

I've admired him forever.

But getting to talk to him was a real joy and just listening to him and hearing how he thinks the world.

This is one of those podcasts.

I just want to these conversations in my life that I have not forgotten since the day I've had it.

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