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In the traditional way we did it, we made it too hard for the news side to tell the truth and too easy for the opinion side to lie.

Hello, welcome to the Client Show on the Box Media Podcast Network. This is a Turn the Table's episode.

I'm Cara Swisher, the host of the phenomenal Rico Dico podcast founder of Rico, a friend of mine.

She had me on her podcast, but also she had me live in San Francisco at Manis, which is a cool new space over there to talk about the future of journalism, to talk about what is going wrong, what is going right, how it is changing.

And we sort of go back and forth, so it's partially me interviewing her. It's a lot of her interviewing me at some point. It's the audience interviewing both of us.

But it gets at a lot of the things I've been obsessing over and trying to work through on the show, the ways journalism is changing, the ways in which maybe we're not doing always a job we should be or need to be.

And also the ways that technology is changing us, right, the ways that sort of these complex systems are running into each other. Cara is a very, she's just like a blast to talk to her podcast is great if you don't subscribe, but I had a lot of fun doing this and I thought you all would enjoy it.

So putting on the show today, you can get more recode decode by subscribing to recode decode wherever you get your podcast, you can email me at as we're client show at box.com.

You can help this podcast out by rating it on Apple podcasts, wherever you do your podcast listening, but here is Cara swisher and me talking about everything.

So tonight's conversation is about the future of journalism. A lot has changed in the field of journalism over the last 10 to 15 years and they're going to talk a little bit about what has changed.

What's happening now and their perspective on the future and these are two people who are so qualified to talk about this very topic probably to the most qualified people in the country.

So we're honored to have them here at the corner of 16th and fucking Valencia in San Francisco at my small business.

Real quick, the goal of man is to create a central place for people to become better informed and more involved citizens.

That's what this is about. We have events every night this week, next week in the week before ours and without further ado, Cara swisher and Ezra Klein.

Oh, goodness sake, the future of journalism Jesus.

That is true about Sally gates. I have a huge man crush on her.

And then she texts me and I'm like, oh, it's all the eggs every time it happens.

And I have to say no, I can't have dinner with you, Sally next week next time I'm in DC.

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