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BERLIN: MERZ UNBOUND. JUDY DEMPSEY, SENIOR SCHOLAR, CARNEGIE ENDOWMENT FOR INTERNATIONAL PEACE IN BERLIN.

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🗓️ 4 June 2025

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BERLIN: MERZ UNBOUND. JUDY DEMPSEY, SENIOR SCHOLAR, CARNEGIE ENDOWMENT FOR INTERNATIONAL PEACE IN BERLIN.
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0:00.0

I'm John Batchel with my good colleague, Judy Dempsey, in Berlin for the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a senior scholar.

0:10.8

F.T. Right on time.

0:13.3

German court deems asylum seekers rejection at border illegal. That's in quotes.

0:18.9

Ruling could undermine Chancellor Friedrich Merz's plan to cut

0:21.8

immigration, but government says it will maintain strategy. What exactly is the strategy,

0:27.3

Jody? I'm eager to hear. The strategy is to actually control the flow of immigrants crossing the border into Germany.

0:42.1

And remember, John, Germany borders with at least seven countries.

0:46.0

Right.

0:46.4

So this is a big task.

0:48.2

Firstly, secondly, Merz and especially his conservative Bavarian-based party, the Christian Social Union,

0:55.3

promised they would deal with migration.

0:57.9

But attacking these issues on the border is quite short-termism.

1:04.4

The bigger issue is how you deal with immigration coming from North Africa,

1:10.5

coming from Afghanistan, and other countries as well.

1:14.0

And this is getting into the whole area of human rights law, of asylum law, on how you deal with refugees.

1:21.1

But this is something that Merth really wants to tackle because running alongside him nearly is the alternative for

1:29.6

the Deutschland, the far-rightering anti-immigration, anti-Islamist party.

1:36.1

And Merz really has to be practical about this, that Germany cannot host millions of immigrants, and he has to be practical

1:48.3

on how to deal with asylum procedures quickly, and it has to be practical in terms of holding up

1:54.2

the humanitarian and human rights law. And parallel to this is the political aspect that he has to keep ahead of the

2:02.2

AFD and tell his voters that he's trying to get the whole immigration issue under control.

2:08.1

It is just so complicated. But now he's up against the courts and I think he's going to

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