Hey folks, it's Ben Greenfield and on the call with me today is a top age group or triathlete.

His name is Kevin Motz and he's 58 years old and the reason that he's on this call today

is Kevin was recently suspended from competition by the World Triathlon Corporation as a result

of a positive test for testosterone.

Today we're going to talk to Kevin about what exactly happened here and of course this is coming at

the same time as the controversial Lance Armstrong doping scandal and I also happen to know for a fact

that many of the listeners of this podcast actually use bioidentical hormone replacement therapy

or therapeutic testosterone for medical reasons and this is very relevant if you fall into that

category of someone who's perhaps trying to manage a medical condition with hormones or even

with supplements or other materials and we're going to get into all this with Kevin. So Kevin,

thank you for coming on the call today. Thank you. Thank you for inviting me.

So let's just let's jump right in. What exactly happened here? Did somebody show up at your house

to test you or was it like after a race that you got pulled aside or how exactly do you get tested

when you're when you're an age group and you're not a professional doing one of these events?

Well, WTC which is the owner of Iron Man is the only private

organization that does drug testing for athletes. Typically it's part of a no it's a

govern body. It's like you you saw our USAP but because there's no formal

let's put this way, no govern body test for Iron Man because it's not an Olympic event.

WTC is created its own sort of protocol testing protocol, etc. So anyway,

and you're basically eligible for testing between when you qualify for Kona and when you actually

race Kona. So it's for people who like qualify for Iron Man World Championships in Kona,

all of a sudden become eligible to get tested. Right. And at that point, when you when you qualify

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