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Bad Gays

Benedetta Carlini

Bad Gays

Huw Lemmey & Ben Miller

History

4.6842 Ratings

🗓️ 6 June 2023

⏱️ 79 minutes

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Summary

What's your favorite Paul Verhoeven film? We knew you were going to say Showgirls–but we'll put in a word for his latest, Benedetta, with Charlotte Rampling acting up a storm and nuns diddling each other with dildos carved out of statues of the Virgin. Improbably, the film is based on a true story: and within it, and within its subject's life, there are important themes of power, gender transgression, sin, belief and deviance that are worth discussing in more detail. Today, we discuss the 16th century mystic nun, lesbian, possibly demonically possessed and possibly visionary heretic, Benedetta Carlini. Our paperback is available now! ----more---- SOURCES: Brown, Judith C. Immodest Acts: The Life of a Lesbian Nun in Renaissance Italy. Reprint édition. New York, NY: Oxford University Press, 1986.   ———. “Lesbian Sexuality in Renaissance Italy: The Case of Sister Benedetta Carlini.” Signs 9, no. 4 (1984): 751–58.   Cohn, Norman. The Pursuit of the Millennium: Revolutionary Millenarians and Mystical Anarchists of the Middle Ages, Revised and Expanded Edition. Revised edition. New York: Oxford University Press, 1970.   Ginzburg, Carlo. The Cheese and the Worms: The Cosmos of a Sixteenth-Century Miller. Translated by John Tedeschi and Anne C. Tedeschi. Reprint edition. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2013.   “The Word Made Fresh: Mystical Encounter and the New Weird Divine - Journal #92.” Accessed June 6, 2023. https://www.e-flux.com/journal/92/205298/the-word-made-fresh-mystical-encounter-and-the-new-weird-divine/.   Our intro and outro music are, respectively, Arpeggia Colorix, by Yann Terrien, and a tune written for us by DJ Michael Oswell Graphic Designer.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the final episode of the sixth season of Bad Gaze, a podcast about evil and complicated

0:21.1

queers in history. I'm Ben Miller, a writer, researcher, and member of the

0:25.5

board of the Shulis Museum in Berlin. And I'm Hilemi, a writer and author. So

0:31.1

last week we talked about the Japanese Shogun Tokugawa Iemitsu and the very

0:37.0

different sex gender system of Shogunate Japan.

0:41.3

What is the subject of our episode this week, Hugh?

0:44.4

Well, I've got a question.

0:45.9

What's your favorite Porvahovan film, Ben?

0:48.8

Showgirls?

0:49.7

Is that any question?

0:51.5

I didn't know that you were going to say showgirls.

0:54.6

Yeah, it won't surprise you to find out I am a big fan of Paul Verhoeven films.

0:59.3

This sort of mix of, you know, campy, grotesque, ultra-violence satire is kind of my bag.

1:05.1

So a couple of years ago, I got asked, well, I got given the chance really by my ex,

1:10.6

who is a huge Verhoeven fan to get me tickets to go to see the London Film Festival premiere of his latest film.

1:18.9

And really it hit all the sort of KPIs for my interests, obviously Porverhoeven, homosexuality, and Christian mysticism.

1:28.4

But it was kind of a...

1:28.9

The Poverhoven film Benedetta that I believe was made in a laboratory

1:33.1

specifically for me, because it is a Paul Verhoven adaptation of Judith Brown's

1:37.5

1984 lesbian microhistory immodest acts.

1:40.6

This is that book.

1:42.3

How do such things get made outside of our dreams, Hugh?

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