From KCRW, I'm Kim Masters, and this is The Business.

When actor Ben McKinsey, aka Ryan from the OC, found himself with downtime at the start of the pandemic,

he studied up on cryptocurrency and didn't like what he found.

I just became concerned that something bad was going to happen, and so I, well,

I took an edible and I decided I wanted to write a book about this. I don't know why I started

with a book instead of a movie. I woke up the next morning sober and realized I didn't know how to write a book.

McKenzie teamed up with journalist Jacob Silverman and not only wrote that book, but became an

established cryptocritic who's testified before Congress.

He joins us to talk about his documentary, Everyone is Lying to You for Money, and explains that

while he initially feared that Ryan from the OC wouldn't be taken seriously, his fame proved

to be an asset. It even helped him get a cringe-inducing interview with now-inprisoned F.TX founder Sam Bankman-Fried

shortly before it all came crashing down. McKenzie also explains how he actually bet against

crypto to help finance this film. And of course, we had to talk about celebrities who profited

from crypto endorsements. But first we banter. Stick around. It's the business from KCRW.

I am joined by my partner in banter Matt Bellany. Hello, Matt. Hi there. So you are going to be

heading to the White House Correspondence dinner weekend. Do you see how this is, folks? Matt is constantly,

he's got more airline miles at this point.

What color card do you have? Like, do you have the George Clooney card from?

Not quite. No, that's the goal someday. Someday. Anyway, I have been in the past. I am not going this year.

I can't tell you, Matt, that I deeply regret that because it is such a weird year.

Obviously, this is the year that Donald Trump will attend, the first one. And the thing that

is amazing to me is that the White House Correspondents Association made a decision this year

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