Hey, this is the moment.

Brian Koppelman, thanks for listening.

I'm thrilled.

The smartest guys I know is here today.

Ben Harrowitz, who is,

look normally it'd be enough if someone was a best-selling author but and then he is of two

books the hard thing about hard things and what you do is who you are which is the new book

came out in October but Ben is really famous for being one of the most successful VCs and company

CEO founders in the whole business world and his partners with Mark Intreesen who is one of the most popular guests on this

podcast his episode is must listening and I'm so excited to have his injuries and Harowitz partner, Ben Harowitz here.

Thanks for doing this, Ben.

Thanks, Brian, and that's a great introduction and very hard to live up to.

So thank you. You're going to be fine. to so thank you be fine you're gonna be

fine so I here's where I want I want to start and and I'll say um what you do is who you

are is an

overused word, nobody knows what it means.

And you have defined it and defined it

and defined why it's important, and we're going to get to it.

But I'm always fascinated by starting at a more

granular level with people and especially someone as successful as you know

out of bed in the morning? That's a good question and not even one that I

expected so that's good. Look at this point you know I'm, and you know this, I mean a lot of my life, most of my life was just trying to feed the family and make money and so forth.

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