Hey, fam, welcome to the free trial podcast. Of course, I am your host, Dylan Bowman here today with Ben Gibbard, the world-renowned musician, the frontman for Death Cab for

cutie, and now the Western States 100 finisher. Ben Gibbard returns for his second appearance on the

podcast. We recorded this just as Death Cab began their summer tour while Ben was on the road,

so we appreciate his willingness to carve out

the time for the episodes. Some topics we discuss the realities of life on the road as a professional

musician. We talk about revisiting old material and reconnecting with the feelings from the time

of creation. They're doing a bunch of sort of old

tribute shows here for the 20th anniversary of their album plans. Then we talk about the realities

of the music business and how it's changed during Ben's career. We talk about Ben's relationship

with his coach, Gary Robbins, his experience running Western states,

including the full and well-detailed race report. We talk about the collaboration with Speedland,

the new GSTMT, the hottest new trail shoe on the market, and a lot more. It was a super

fun conversation talking about two seemingly very different but

important aspects of Ben's life, both art and trails. Before we get to it, if you haven't yet,

as I just said, make sure you go check out the GSTMT from Speedland co-created with Ben. It's a

beautiful product and of course very capable of all sorts of shred.

Of course, free trail. Our listeners always get 10% off. So go take advantage at runspiland.com using

code free trail 10. Thanks also to our other partners, Osprey, never second and keep tone IQ,

links and discount codes for them also in the show notes enjoy the episode

Ben Gibbard welcome back to the free trail podcast, broadcasting from a casino in Reno, Nevada.

Good to see you, buddy.

Good to see you, too.

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