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You're listening to The Nocturnous Conversations. I'm Emily Silverman.

Today we're joined by two very special guests, Luke Lawrenson, an Emmy Award-winning documentary filmmaker, and Matty Engel, a hospital chaplain.

Together, Luke and Mati made a documentary film called A Still Small Voice, in which Luke

follows Mati during her year-long hospital chaplain residency in New York City.

The film which explores the challenges and rewards of practicing spiritual care inside a hospital

won the U.S. documentary Best Director Award at the 2023 Sundance Film Festival

and has been recognized as one of the best 10 films of the year by the New York Times.

Today, Luke and Manti sit down with me to chat about what it was like bringing cameras

into the doctor-patient interaction, how they found the right narrative arc for the documentary,

and what it means to bring spirituality and religion into the healing process.

But first, let's hear a clip from their award-winning documentary film, A Still Small Voice.

I recall you saying, I cannot believe what my body can endure,

and I just needed to share that with somebody to let them know.

And what I felt in that moment, through the tears, was awe.

It was this quiet strength.

I checked in for one thing.

I got four other things happened since I've been here.

We've got pancreatic cancer, COVID, then liver failure, aneurysm, bacteria in the stomach?

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