Welcome to the ticket. I'm Isaac Govere. Well, the first debate is behind us. The whole

night was horrible. The format was not sufficient. Chris Wallace, moderator failed to keep control, but the reason

for nearly all of that was President Trump. Debates can matter beyond all the back

and forth on stage by acting as moments to reset a narrative or the trajectory of a race.

Now we've got five weeks left and it doesn't seem like that has happened.

But what happens if the vote follows where the polls currently are?

Trump loses and then won't accept the results.

Last week a reporter asked him if he commit to a peaceful transfer of power

and the president refused to.

That same day, we published this month's cover story in the Atlantic

about the powers the president has to muddle the vote itself.

And my guest this week is the author of that story,

Bart Gellman.

He's an Atlantic staff writer and a Pulitzer

prize winner for his work breaking the Edwards noted story. I ask Bart to

explain how the president could manipulate the outcome. The Trump presidency has

been a series of guard whales broken.

Norm shattered. Pick your cliche. But we don't yet know what he'll do to stay in

office if he loses. Take a listen. A listen.

Bork Yeoman,

thanks for being here on the ticket.

Thanks for having.

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