Howie Hawkins

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🗓️ 17 September 2020

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

In 2016, the Green Party won more votes in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin than Donald Trump’s margins for victory. As a result, many Democrats blamed the progressive party for Clinton’s electoral college loss and have worked this year to keep the party from competing in key states. Following Democrats’ challenges over paperwork issues, courts in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania removed Green Party names from presidential ballots this week. Howie Hawkins, the Green Party’s nominee for president and a co-founder of the party, joins Isaac Dovere to discuss his candidacy. Is the Green Party being used as a spoiler? What does he make of Kanye West’s presidential campaign? And does he fear his party may again face accusations that they put Donald Trump in the White House? Support this show and all of The Atlantic’s journalism by becoming a subscriber at: theatlantic.com/supportus Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Welcome to the ticket. I'm Isaac Dauver. This election more than any election in
0:17.7	modern memory feels like a continuation of the last one. For Donald Trump
0:21.8	he's proposed no new policies or argument for his second
0:24.9	term just make America great again again. Again. For Democrats they're
0:29.6	desperately trying to make sure that what happened in 2016 doesn't happen again and for such a
0:34.6	close electoral college loss you can point to any number of factors. Jim Comi, Russia,
0:40.5	not campaigning in the Midwest, or, as I'll discuss this week, third parties.
0:48.6	When many Americans think of the Green Party, the name Ralph Nader jumps to mind.
0:52.1	The nearly 3 million votes he won in 2000
0:54.2	were the high watermark for the Environmental Issues-inspired left-wing party.
0:57.6	There were also, many argue, the reason George W Bush narrowly won the presidency.
1:03.0	Sixteen years later, the next time the Republicans flipped the White House,
1:07.0	it was again a narrow win.
1:09.0	And again, one that the Green Party votes might have made the difference in.
1:12.0	Jill Stein didn't get as many votes as Ralph Nader, one that the Green Party votes might have made the difference in.
1:12.6	Jill Stein didn't get as many votes as Ralph Nader,
1:14.8	but in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin,
1:17.9	she won more than the margin between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.
1:21.5	As a result, the Democratic Party is more than a little
1:23.9	preoccupied with my guest this week. Howie Hawkins, the Green Party's
1:27.6	2020 nominee and one of the party's co-founders. Hawkins and his fellow
1:32.0	Green Party members don't like the spoiler
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