I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray and this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed

recap podcast about reality dating shows like The Bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry, and curse the patriarchy.

We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we can break down every juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us about love, sex, and dating.

Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast about two women revisiting the site of their greatest trauma with only Bachelor at Producers and six clueless men to support them through it.

Truly what a wonderful support network. I mean, what could possibly go wrong with that kind of backbone emotionally behind you?

This week it's co-bachelorette Gabby and Rachel's joint fantasy sweet sweet and you know their opportunity to redo overnight without Clayton there fucking everything up.

Yeah, thank God. This is going to be an epic two-partner because there were six fantasy sweets two nights here to help us break down Monday's episode is the one and only Phoebe Robinson, creator, star, and executive producer of Freeforms Amazing New Show, Everything's Trash.

And guys, if you haven't already tuned into this show, we highly recommend it and you're actually in luck because the season one finale is tonight September 7th on Freeform and you can also watch the show on Hulu Phoebe, my friend.

I am so in awe of you. Thank you so much for joining us.

Thanks for having me. I honestly just cannot with this season speaking of everything being trapped.

Yeah, I don't know what's going on. First of all, thank you so much for having me on. I'm so excited you both look so cute today.

And yes, Ben, the entire season of everything's trash on Hulu so you can get a season two. Thank you so much. And in terms of the bat rat, I am just like, here's what I'm going to say.

And this is not like new information. They only should have had one best rat. It should have been Gabby. No offense to Rachel, but I just can with her inability to answer questions.

And like, she just was like, I don't know. I'm just not I'm not into her anymore. I just think I feel like like hometowns week was was not Rachel's easiest or best week.

And and yet in another sense, like things are kind of smoothing out for her emotionally right as everything is crashing and burning for Gabby.

And that's because this show is like intent on having them just flip flop. It's like, if one of them gets an emotional win, the other must suffer. That's just how it works for women to women cannot be happy at the same time.

You need equal liberty.

It's a very it feels like a very like Christian American Christian view of the world. It's like suffering brings redemption. Yeah. You have to suffer for long.

Yeah, you have to suffer. You can only earn love via maximal suffering. That is what I've learned from the bachelor.

Yeah. And to do that suffering, we had to Mexico. Yes. A lovely little resorts were in Riviera.

This was this was I got to say, I think they had to pick a bigger resort to accommodate all the men. It is like it's off the hook.

There are pools every two feet. There's just a pool. And we start with Gabby and Rachel having a little catch up over some champagne and talking about how nervous they are about fantasy sweet weeks because that is the week when everything went haywire with Clayton.

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