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That's right, we are back to discuss the live finale. Well, like the live finale for one is what we mean.

The pre finale, the prelude to the finale, the forward to the finale. We'll be back next week for a second live finale or a final finale, a finale finale.

It's just good to clarify. This is the finale part one.

Exactly. Today it is just the two of us because frankly, we have so much to say and so much personal emotional trauma surrounding this really insane and depressing penultimate episode that there simply isn't room for anyone else to speak. So I'm sorry.

We are demanding the floor for this. So we open in the studio for a two hour season finale part one, which Jesse says will be so controversial. It will literally stun America.

I don't want controversy. I'm like, but please literally stun me. I don't want to be conscious for this anymore. I'm tired. I want to nap. I don't care if it's because I got knocked on the head at this point.

Remember when it used to be like, it's going to be emotionally dramatic because there will be heartbreak. But like this is a love story. No, we're done with that. It's just and a parade of emotional trauma.

No one gets out alive for being on a season of the bachelor or the bachelor at any more.

Yeah, it is funny that they found time to finally put the studio together this week so that Jesse could not deliver a message about a chemical weapon that will quickly end life as we know it.

I just on tire Western.

It seemed like they were doing last week. Well, Jesse was just out here putting in the work. I have to say I was texting with Juliette from bachelor party. And she was there last night.

And she sent me a video of Jesse just like fully reciting his lines to himself during the commercial breaks.

So look, he's putting in the work of preparing his best.

Yeah. Yeah. No, it is he's trying. I will say I don't love him as a host for these live specials. I don't think it's where he shines.

Yeah, I prefer him and a more casual setting.

Yeah, I just like Jesse out here in a sweater, speaking French, lording his Canadianness over everyone, like when he that's the Jesse I like when he tries to like make them fight with each other on stage or when he tries to really pull out some painful details you can tell he like doesn't really want to.

I'm gonna say you can tell that he's like very reluctant. He's not in a way where he's like doing it really sensitively more than he's just like, like, I got to ask, but like you don't have to tell me.

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