I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray and this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed

recap podcast about the bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry and curse

the patriarchy. We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we

can break down every juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us

about love, sex and dating.

Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast about being seen and being probed in every way possible

for love. We all know love is about seeing, but it's important to never forget that love

also requires thorough probing. You probe and you probe and you probe and that's where

the love is. It's week four of Michelle's journey and already she's feeling taken for

granted by this group of scrubs. This week we had two one-on-one dates, one group date

that was more like just like a group bro hang and of course a brand new villain, Chris

S. God, I love how quickly things move in bachelor world, never a dull moment and here

to recap with us today and also you know to give Michelle the love and appreciation that

some dudes are unable to give her is Tracy Thomas, host of the literary podcast The Stacks.

Tracy, welcome to the pod. I'm so excited to be here. I'm very excited to talk about Michelle's

feelings about her insecurities. I have a lot of thoughts. I also have a lot of thoughts

about Chris S, which I have to imagine anyone who watched that episode has a lot of thoughts

about Chris S. We have some thoughts. Oh my God. So many thoughts, so many analogies, so

many feelings, descriptions. Just a lot to dig into this episode where I'm excited. I

have my throat comfort tea. I'm ready to start at the very beginning, which of course

is with our band of brothers Casey, Joe and Romeo, debriefing in their favorite yellow

striped cabana at the resort. It looks, it looks, I can see why these guys like to just

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