I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray and this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed

recap podcast about the bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry and curse

the patriarchy. We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we

can break down every juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us

about love, sex and dating.

Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast about women supporting women. This Monday night

on Clayton's season of the Bachelor, it was women tell all just a space for sisterhood,

empowerment and really putting shine theory into action.

Wait, sorry, I'm checking my notes. It's all flooding back. That's actually not what

happened last night. It was more like women insulting each other's asses and like slut

shaming. Is that ringing a bell? Oh, oh my God, right. I guess I just like had a rage

blackout and completely forgot. I had really suppressed those memories, but here to help

us remember all of the painful details of this evening of the bachelor. We have Buzzfeed

Senior Culture Reporter and host of the podcast The Rise and Fall of Lula Ro. Stephanie

McNeil. Hi guys, I'm so happy to talk about the sisterhood with you. Yeah, feminism

in action. It's just what I love to see. If you ever need to know what feminism is all

about, I just implore you to watch last night because that was truly just women supporting

women from top to bottom. It really was just like women screaming at each other that they

weren't wife material because there's such horrors. It just first with women being like feminism

means getting to have sex with as many people as you want. And I support that and being

applauded by the audience. And I was like, I'm deeply confused by the message of this show.

Yeah. If you just want to understand what like a crisis we're in in this moment in feminism,

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