Hello and welcome to the Get Your Glowback podcast. This is episode 21 with Marina Fogel.

Marina is the producer of an amazing podcast called The Parenthood. She's co-founder of the

Mount Class and of course a wonderful mother and wife. In today's episode we talked through

quite a painful subject about stillborns.

Now this can be quite uncomfortable and difficult to talk about but Marina very kindly opened up to me on

this episode to chat through her very tragic loss of her son Willem. She talks a lot about her coping mechanisms,

what really worked for her,

also how we can support others

that are going through these very difficult experiences.

We also talk about miscarriage and just loss in general.

She is full of amazing advice

and has the most beautiful, positive outlook on all these

sorts of things. I felt like I learned so much from her. She is the most wonderful women and I

really, really enjoyed this episode. So I hope you do too. For everything we chat about today,

you can find all the details in the show notes

which are at madelindshaw.com forward slash episode 21. Welcome Marina to the podcast. Thank you for having me.

It's sort of weird being on the other side. I'm looking forward to it. We're actually recording in your

gorgeous house which is so colourful. It feels. I'm looking forward to it. We're actually recording in your gorgeous house, which is so colourful.

It feels like I'm in about 100 different countries at once.

I think that's probably a consequence of having a husband who is in about 100 different countries a year.

And he can't resist bringing stuff home.

I can tell whether he's in a Wi-Fi zone or not because stuff starts arriving. And at one point, a box was delivered. Like, it was a box as tall as I was. And we couldn't even get it into the house. And I called him in a rage. I was like, I've had enough. Our house is so full. And it was this amazing, like, antique ship that he'd found somewhere in, like and I was like this has to stop and then

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