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slash voxpod welcome to recode media of peter kofka that is me today my guest is bj

novec who was on the office, as you know,

and he's also got a new movie out. It's about a podcaster. So I had a lot of questions for him, and he's a blast to talk to. We had a conversation about what's like to make a movie, as well as what is like to make everything else he's made. He's got a pretty varied career. he's made TV shows and written children's books

and tried his hands and apps and at the end BJ and I talked about the downside of the streaming

boom and if you're the kind of person who listens to this podcast and you're listening to it right now

you're going to like it so stick around for the end but first I talked to James Pato Wozik

the super smart New York Times TV critic we've had him on before to talk about sort of the intersection of TV and politics. It's been relevant for a while. We talked about the TV show. Many of us watched this summer. That would be the January 6th hearings, which are a marked departure from the hearings you've seen in the past. We talked about how they work on TV and how they work on social. This also happens to be what I wrote about this week at my Vox.com column, which you can read for free on Vox.com, or you can have it delivered to your inbox. However you want it, we will get it to you. Okay, enough of me talking. Now here's me and James Ponowazik.. I'm here with James Ponterwozik, the New York Times

excellent TV critic, who I love to talk to about TV and politics, which have collided all

summer with the January 6 hearings. Welcome, James. Uh, hey, thanks, Peter. You are a very smart

observer about television and politics and how they collide. I wanted to ask

you about the January 6th hearings, which you wrote about recently. I'm writing about it too.

So I'm just going to take your ideas and present them as my own. Don't tell anyone.

What did you make of the hearings, which ran for several episodes that are going to start again

apparently in September? It was the show of the summer.

I was, you know, I was obviously interested because of the subject matter, because this is a sort of television that I cover professionally.

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