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This is CBSI in the world.

I'm John Batchel.

It's a great pleasure to speak to Sophie Petter,

the Paris Bureau chief for The Economist magazine,

author Sophie Petter of Revolution Francais.

And this is the story of the President of France, Emmanuel Macron, who is extremely well-educated and, in fact, graduated from the supremely important school, college, university

in France that brings us all of the leadership of France. He graduated. It's called the ENA, the National Administration School, where they train the leadership.

But he comes from us a Red Brook working class city, Amiens, in the north.

And Sophie introduces us in 1977 with the birth of young Emmanuel Jean-Michel

Frédéric Macron to the fact that Amiens had had a communist mayor for 20 years.

What is it in Amiens that the French would know immediately that coming from there means your one kind of thing.

What do we understand about the town, Sophie?

Working town, a lot of industry in the past, industry that's closed, so a sort of sense of decline

on the one hand. It's also part of the sum. It's in the battlefield, so I think that's also part of its identity I think it's seen as

you know part of an area of France that has been in decline and that has struggled it's not

this is not sort of smart chic you know suburbs of Paris or or left bank intellectual milieu.

It's really much more a sort of an average kind of town.

Mom and dad are both physicians.

And dad remains a physician, you say, as the publication of this book.

His grandparents are even more compelling. I believe one of his

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