Hello and welcome to another episode of iWave with Jermeda Jamil, a podcast against shame.

I hope you're well and I hope you're ready for another excellent fucking interview with Aubrey

Gordon. I've had her on before and you loved her. You may know her on the internet from back

in the day as your fat friend. She was an amazing blogger who is now a best-selling author. She

came on last time to talk about her excellent book, What We Don't Talk About When We Talk About Fat

and now she's back and having a really fucking good week with her new book You Just Need To

Lose Weight and 19 Other Myths About Fat People. This book is now number two on the New York Times

Best Seller which is a wild debut and she's even really started doing press or promo and so it's

going to be a very good start to the year for Aubrey Gordon and for the rest of us because her

work is so fucking important. Her blogs already from back in the day have given so many

people the words they didn't have to discuss their own bodies and their boundaries they want to

have with other people about how they talk about our bodies. She has done so much research. She has

produced so much data. She has a fucking amazing podcast called The Maintenance Faze which you must

must listen to. I think it goes very well hand in hand with Iway and she and I are very aligned

as people. We met for the first time maybe three or four years ago and totally fell in love with

each other. She's just my favorite human. Nobody is as bold as brave as interesting as interested

as well research as kind as empathetic as patient and self-reflective as Aubrey. I wish I

could be more like her. I strive to be more like her. She's always the first person I run to and

I really don't fucking know what to do because she's such sound mind and she's got such a long

background and advocacy that she comes everything from such an intersectional lens. However,

intersectional we think we are until you've actually done the work as in like worked in the space

of having to protect lots of different minorities all at the same time which she did.

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