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We are so excited for today's at the bus stop episode. It has been a long time coming. We are honored

to have Lori and Jason Adams Brown join us

and share a bit of their own story of abuse that happened under the leadership of Andy Wood

during their time at Echo Church in the Bay Area.

Since their time there, Andy has been hired as the new lead pastor of Saddleback Church.

Yes, you heard that right, the Saddleback

Church that was formerly pastored by Rick Warren. They have been bravely using their voices to raise

awareness about the NDAs that keep fellow Echo survivors from being able to share, as well as sounding

the alarms to hopefully protect and prevent harm to the current

staff at Saddleback now that Andy is pastoring there. Do not miss out on today's show notes

where we have linked a petition for Echo to release former staff from NDAs that we would

love all of our listeners to go and sign, articles highlighting their story,

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