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Shift: A podcast about mobility

As Tesla readies for launch, Alex Roy inspects the economics behind the robotaxi business model

Shift: A podcast about mobility

Automotive News

Business

4.831 Ratings

🗓️ 15 June 2025

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

From his time inside a robotaxi startup, Alex Roy knows what it really takes to build a business around self-driving technology. The venture-capital partner, business advisor, podcast host and founder of the Human Driving Association examines Tesla’s pending robotaxi launch in Austin, Texas, and discusses whether robotaxis can become a profitable business. He further discusses the capability of Tesla’s “Full Self Driving” software, considers Waymo’s head start and details the four companies h...

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0:00.0

Hi, everybody. Welcome to Shift, a podcast about mobility. My name is Pete Bigelow. I am your host and reporter at the Automotive News.

0:13.0

My guest on the podcast today is Alex Roy, the Jack of All Trades, who is a co-founder of advisory firm Johnson & Roy, partner at New Industry Venture Capital,

0:24.9

founder of the Human Driving Association, Endurance Driving Record Holder, author, co-host at the Autonicast,

0:32.5

and much more. Alex and I are going to discuss the imminent Tesla Robotaxi launch and the state of autonomy overall.

0:40.4

If you want to be in the Robotaxy business, there's only two ways to do it.

0:44.0

You own the fleet or people contribute to the fleet.

0:46.7

Those are two completely different businesses.

0:48.6

First though, my colleague John Irwin joins me for a look at this week's headlines.

0:52.9

John, how are you today?

0:54.5

Doing well. How are you doing, Pete?

0:56.0

Doing good. It's certainly no shortage of headlines that your byline is right under.

1:02.8

I know that you have been closely following kind of an ongoing storyline about China's

1:08.4

restrictions on rare earth materials, how that is a major threat to American

1:13.0

automotive vehicle production. What is the latest there, John? Yeah, it's been something that's

1:19.6

been front of mind for a lot of suppliers and automakers, certainly the last couple of weeks.

1:24.3

It's kind of come to add, basically Basically, real short version, you have China

1:28.6

basically ever since April, early April after the U.S. implemented tariffs on Chinese imports.

1:37.0

China retaliated by restricting exports of rare earth metals that are important for the auto

1:42.6

industry and a whole sort of bunches of other sectors.

1:45.6

And yeah, basically since then it's sort of come to a head.

1:48.1

A lot of suppliers and automakers reporting downtime.

1:51.5

You know, we see Ford had to stop production at its Chicago assembly plant for a week,

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