I used to be so scared of like dark art, like sad songs, all that stuff.

But now I'm like, whatever people need to make to feel creative.

I just really desire people's creativity. Let me let it out, let it out, I'm

Let it out.

Hi, welcome back here listening to Let It Out with me. I'm Katie Dale about.

This week I spoke to visual artist Camilla Ingstrom, and if you were here last week, she was also the guest.

That's because she came over to record, and I said this last week, but the conversation was so good and flowed with so much ease that I didn't really keep track of time, and it was

really long.

And this podcast, if you have been listening, isn't short.

But I thought about, you know, cutting it down.

And then I just thought, you know, why don't we make it two parts and kept all of it in.

So this is the second part of that conversation.

So I highly recommend if you are just tuning into this

part, go back, listen to last week's episode where we discuss her upbringing and her start in

fashion and moving to New York and her habits and routines, which I got a lot of inspiration from

her creative process, her meditation and journaling practice.

And it's a great episode.

And this week is a continuation of that conversation where we cover even more.

But if you don't know Camilla, again, listen to last week's episode, but she's an incredible artist and so wise.

And the way she lives her life

really inspires me. And I'm very happy to know her. So in this week's episode, we talk about

the moment where she really fell into herself and her success. We talk about her failures and the

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