Brussels is actually quite polluted for like maybe two or three weeks a year.

It tends to be really hard to breathe and you can feel there's a lot of fine particles

in the air and generally people think that it's only the cards but actually I almost by

accident I started being aware of the cold industry and the cold plants.

A few months ago, Johnny Limerse gay, a French artist living in Brussels, reached out to me

on Twitter. He had been documenting a coal mine near him, the Hamburg mine, the largest

open pit coal mine in Europe. It's actually located in Germany about a two hour drive from where

Johnny lives in Brussels. Anyway, he was surprised to find that he had something in common with

this mine. They both relied on software from a California based company that has made

sustainability a big part of its brand. Autodesk. If you work in architecture or engineering or product

design, you probably know that name. They make a variety of computer-aided drafting or CAD

software packages. Johnny uses it in his artwork too to plan projections onto buildings.

Outside of these realms, Autodesk is relatively unknown but its software is critical to the design

of many of the world's buildings. It's also used to design extractive equipment and pipelines

for quite a few companies in the fossil fuel industry.

I'm Amy Westerville and this is Drilt.

When I first started doing environmental reporting in the late 90s and early 2000s,

there was a lot of interest in green business and sustainability. The idea of a quote,

triple bottom line that you had to balance social and environmental impact with profits.

That dominated the conversation and I have to admit it took me several years to realize that while

it might encourage some companies to think about their social and environmental impact and not

just their profits, it was mostly being used to avoid taking steps that might be good for the

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