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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Are you a "political hobbyist?" If so, you're the problem.

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, News, Society & Culture, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.511.1K Ratings

🗓️ 9 March 2020

⏱️ 81 minutes

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Summary

Obsessively following the daily political news feels like an act of politics, or at least an act of civics. But what if, for many of us, it’s a replacement for politics — and one that’s actually hurting the country? That is the argument made by Tufts University political scientist Eitan Hersh. In his incisive new book Politics is for Power, Hersh draws a sharp distinction between what he calls “political hobbyism” — following politics as a kind of entertainment and expression of self-identity — and the actual work of politics. His data shows that a lot of people who believe they are doing politics are passively following it, and the way they’re following it has played a key role in making the political system worse. But this isn’t just a critique. Hersh’s argument builds to an alternative way of engaging in politics: as a form of service to our institutions and communities. And that alternative approach leads to some dramatically different ideas about how to marry an interest in politics with a commitment to building a better world. It also speaks to some of what we lost in rejecting the political machines and transactional politics of yesteryear — a personal obsession of mine, and a more important hinge point in American political history than I think we realize. We are, as you may have noticed, deep into election season, and that’s when it’s easiest to mistake the drama of national politics for the doing of actual politics. So there’s no better time for this conversation. Book recommendations: Hobbies by Steven Gelber Concrete Demands Rhonda E. WIlliams Here All Along by Sarah Hurwitz New to the show? Want to check out Ezra's favorite episodes? Check out the Ezra Klein Show beginner's guide (http://bit.ly/EKSbeginhere) The “Why We’re Polarized” tour continues, with events in Austin, Nashville, Chicago, and Greenville. Go to WhyWerePolarized.com for the full schedule! Want to contact the show? Reach out at ezrakleinshow@vox.com Credits: Engineer - Cynthia Gil Producer/Editor - Jeff Geld Researcher - Roge Karma Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's about doing something where people are relying on you to make a difference in other people's lives.

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0:50.0

My guest today is somebody who wrote a book that has been bouncing around in my head a bunch.

1:03.0

I've ended up mentioning it quite a bit on my own book tour, which I think is a high-former phrase.

1:08.0

His name is Aiton Hirsch. He's a professor of political science at Tufts University.

1:12.0

He is the author of a book called Politics is for Power, which is making this distinction,

1:18.0

which we'll talk about at some length in this discussion, between participating in politics as a form of self-expression,

1:26.0

or following it as a form of almost entertainment the way you might follow a sport,

1:30.0

and actually doing the work of politics.

1:33.0

It's one of those distinctions. It is in some ways very simple,

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