The Bird Show. So Abby's starting to wonder if she's a bad friend. Not me specifically, but I think

this is kind of a thing that women kind of go through when you lose a friendship or you move on past a

friendship is there's a lot of shame around women, not having like these lifelong friends. I think you

hear a lot about like these people having friendships of 20 and 30 years and if you can

look back and go well my oldest friend is like you know only four years old there can be a lot of

shame around that so this week on my podcast the breakup breakdown which is on bert's pioneer

network we actually had a friendship breakup episode which is a little different because normally it's

usually about someone cheating on someone with you you know, their professor or whatever.

It's a lot of like romantic scandals.

But this year or this week was all about a friendship breakup where a friendship had ended after 30 years.

And it was so crazy the timing of how this happened because I had just seen this clip on Mel Robbins's podcast with someone I had already interviewed on my podcast like

weeks ago so I was like I got their first Mel Robbins interviewed someone I already interviewed

her name is Danielle Byer Jackson and she she focuses a lot on female friendships and just those

complicated dynamics and I was able to kind of quote something she had said in this interview

about feeling shame around losing a friendship that had lasted that long.

But actually in this podcast episode with Mel Robbins, Danielle said that most people actually cycle out through their friendships about every seven years.

Women replace about half of their friends every seven years.

Yeah. So men and women. Yeah,

there's research that finds that we replace half of our friends every seven years. I hope that that makes people feel a little less ashamed if they have friendships that don't work out. Because

what that says to me is that there's this natural pruning that happens throughout your life.

I also hope that that has people release any shame around needing to make new friends because

I hear people say, I'm out here making friends at 42. I should have had all my friends from high

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