Hello. Three minutes after ten is the time. You're listening to James O'Brien on LBC, and we will begin our

conversation today, I think, by, well, flirting with danger. Only on my part. I don't think you could

get into any trouble, but I categorically can't and don't and won't and wouldn't want to.

Encourage you to behave irresponsibly.

You'll know if you've been mad enough to listen to this program for the last few months.

You'll know that oddly, perhaps, I tend to swing the other way on issues like this.

I tend to swing towards better safe than sorry or err on the side of caution.

Or if we look back and think, oh, well, we didn't

need to go quite that far, it's much easier to absorb that sort of regret than it is to look

back as we have to, of course, as a country, and think, oh, my God, we should have gone much

further, much faster, and then possibly tens of thousands of people would still be alive.

But on the holiday story, I have to tell you that I don't know whether I'm coming or going now.

Well, I'm not going on holiday.

Not for at least a couple of weeks.

And when I do, I think we'll be going within the UK, just hoping that the flights get

cancelled so we can get a cash refund rather than it being our personal decision, in which

case we can only get vouchers if we cancel it ourselves. But I don't think we're going to go overseas.

I'm not sitting in judgment on anyone that does, but I'm interested to know whether you actually

get it anymore. There's two

stories today that there's a reason of course why right wing media is desperate to point you towards

some people in dinghies in Kent because it will distract you from the hundreds of millions of

pounds that they're going to have to spend in Northern Ireland, which they told you they wouldn't have to spend.

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