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The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum

Are Kids Being Talked Into Thinking They're Trans?

The Unspeakeasy With Meghan Daum

Meghan Daum

Society & Culture

4.7855 Ratings

🗓️ 4 July 2021

⏱️ 96 minutes

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Summary

This week's episode is a little different. Meghan's two guests appear anonymously and speak about their sons' struggles with gender dysphoria and subsequent desires to transition into females. Calling themselves Jolene and Marie, they explain why they're wary of the "affirmative" model of care, which operates from an assumption that even very young children can know for sure if they are in the wrong gender and often demonizes parents who question the approach. Jolene and Marie talk about how this issue has affected their whole families, the ways gender dysphoria can intersect with autism and other neurodivergent conditions, and the way online communities can blur the boundaries between gender identity issues and other emotional or psychological challenges. Relevant links: Genspect: A voice for parents with gender questioning kids https://genspect.org Society for Evidence Based Gender Medicine (SEGM) One Size Does Not Fit All: In Support of Psychotherapy for Gender DysphoriaGuest Unspeakable Podcast interview with gender therapist Sasha Ayad    Bios: Jolene and Marie are pseudonyms for two moms of gender questioning kids. They live in the United States.

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0:00.0

My son did not feel like a girl or a woman and then went to look, why do I feel like a woman?

0:11.1

My son felt uncomfortable in his body, in his feelings, socially, and went looking for an answer to that

0:22.0

and found the answer that he was transgender hooked onto that

0:26.9

and took off running with it.

0:31.0

I think this was such an important point, right?

0:33.5

In this particular cohort, it isn't that they have ever,

0:39.6

you know, organically, potentially had this thought on their own.

0:43.8

I mean, I can't obviously speak for everyone,

0:45.7

but I think Marie and I both feel like in our situation,

0:50.0

what she just said was just so well put.

0:52.2

It was an external source saying, and in my case, it was, or in our son's case, it was

0:58.6

literally clicking on a link within one Reddit forum that had been, you know, posted by someone

1:05.7

else that brought him to another forum that was literally called Egg, I-R-L, which stood for memes about trans

1:15.3

people in denial, encouraging them to break out of their shell or their egg and basically

1:22.2

admit to themselves and the world that they're transgender.

1:25.9

And then I have plenty of, unfortunately, I was able to view and observe some of the

1:32.1

conversations that were happening within these forums and the amount of encouragement

1:38.6

and celebration.

1:40.9

It was extremely affirming in a way where I think for the first time, my son found a group of people who he felt like he belonged.

1:57.0

Welcome to the unspeakable podcast. I'm your host, Megan Down. This week's episode is a little different. I have two guests, and they are appearing anonymously. They are the mothers of sons who struggle with gender dysphoria. Now, there has, as you may know, been a lot of discussion over the last few years about girls experiencing

2:18.5

gender identity issues and wanting to transition into males. There's even data that suggests

2:24.2

that the rate of girls making these announcements has risen something like 4,000% in the last

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