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Are Insect Guts the Secret to the Most Delicious Kimchi?

Gastropod

Cynthia Graber and Nicola Twilley

Arts, Science, History, Food

4.73.7K Ratings

🗓️ 3 December 2019

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

This side dish of spicy, bubbly, funky pickled vegetables is such a staple in Korea that no meal is considered complete without it—but, recently, kimchi has found its way into burgers, pasta, grilled cheese, and even tacos. This episode, we trace the behind-the-scenes story of the “kimchi diplomacy” that turned Korea’s favorite fermented cabbage into an international food trend. And then, because we’re Gastropod, we take part in our very own cutting-edge science experiment to understand one of kimchi science’s most mysterious questions: where do the microbes that transform the sugars in cabbage into such tangy, savory flavors actually come from? Is it our hands? The soil? Or could the secret to all that deliciousness actually lie in the stomach of beetles and bugs? Listen in this episode for kimchi secrets, kimchi explosions, and a little bit of kimchi K-pop, too. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Okay, so now I am going to massage my cabbage.

0:07.0

Okay, number two, well-missaged cabbage.

0:13.3

Now for a large bowl for cabbage number three.

0:20.4

Just what I like to do on a Saturday afternoon in the fall, give some cabbage a very deep

0:25.0

massage.

0:26.0

I prefer to be the one actually getting a massage myself, but you're not alone Cynthia,

0:31.0

this is an autumn ritual for millions of people.

0:34.3

Primarily Koreans, because fall is the traditional time to make kimchi, and that's what I was

0:39.1

doing, and that's what this episode is about.

0:41.2

You're listening to Gastropod, the podcast that looks at food through the lens of science

0:44.7

in history, I'm Nicola Twilly, and I'm Cynthia Graber, and I wasn't just making kimchi

0:48.9

for fun, and yes, deliciousness, I was making it for science.

0:53.0

What's going on in the fermentation, and where do the microbes that transform cabbage

0:56.7

and other veggies into kimchi come from?

0:59.2

These are good questions, but while we wait for your microbes to get busy and then get

1:03.6

sequenced, I have other kimchi questions.

1:06.8

Like, what's the difference between kimchi and sourcrout?

1:09.8

Aren't they just both fermented cabbage?

1:12.2

Plus, is kimchi actually Korean, and what's it doing in tacos today?

1:16.4

How unwended it gets so trendy, and has that changed kimchi in the process?

1:20.3

We've got all that, plus so many microbes that you are all going to fall down drunk.

1:25.6

This episode is supported in part by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation program for the public

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