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is CBS Eye on the World. Here's John Batchelor.

The war that made the Roman Empire

Anthony Cleopatra and Octavian, at Actium.

Professor Barry Strauss is the author. He's the Beaumar chair of humanistic studies at Cornell University,

the distinguished classicist of several books in this period for those

of us who do not have the Latin or the Greek.

It's a great treat to speak with Barry about a battle that I did not know to solve before this book, Actium.

It's understood as a naval battle.

Well, sort of.

It's also a battle of maneuver, and it teaches the lesson again and again we get in the 20th and the 21st century.

Tactics are for amateurs, logistics are for professionals.

And what you're about to hear is Barry Strouse's explication

of how Octavian defeated Antony because he had a logistical genius named Marcus Agrippa.

Barry, thank you very much.

We need to do a little geography.

Why did the vast Ptolemaic fleet built by Cleopatra's Treasury, Cleopatra and Antony leading.

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