From New York Times opinion, I'm Ross Douthand, and this is interesting times.

Are the lords of artificial intelligence on the side of the human race?

My prediction is we will actually make so many robots and AI that they will actually saturate all human needs.

The physical and the digital world should really be fully blended.

I don't think the world has really had the humanoid robots moment yet.

It's going to feel very sci-fi.

That's the core question that I had for this week's guest.

He's the head of Anthropic, one of the fastest-growing AI companies.

He's something of a utopian when it

comes to the potential benefits of the technology that he's unleashing on the world. Can we use

our lead in AI to shape liberty around the world? But he also sees grave dangers ahead,

an inevitable disruption.

Dario Amadeh. Welcome to interesting times.

Thank you for having me, Ross.

Thank you for being here.

So you are rather unusually, maybe for a tech CEO, an essayist.

You have written two long, very interesting essays about the promise and the peril of artificial intelligence. And we're going to talk about the perils

in this conversation. But I thought it would be good to start with the promise and with

the optimistic vision, indeed, I would say the utopian vision that you laid out

a couple of years ago in an essay entitled Machines of Loving Grace, which will come back to that

title, I think, at the end. But, you know, I think a lot of people encounter AI news through

headlines predicting, you know, a bloodbath

...