From New York Times opinion, I'm Ross Douthat.

And this is Interesting Times.

This week we're bringing you something a little bit different.

Last month, I spoke with the pro-life activist Lila Rose in front of a live audience at the Catholic University of America.

We were there to talk about the future of the pro-life movement, and the students in attendance had a lot of questions.

My question has to do with the collapse of marriage.

I wanted to ask about IVF and specifically how we should go about resolving that.

The fundamental question is, when does life begin?

I wanted to ask about, I guess, the future of the pro-life movement.

And I had my own questions, too.

Was the pro-life movement really prepared for the fall of Roe v. Wade?

Is Donald Trump actually a pro-life president?

And in a society that's rapidly polarizing along gender lines,

what does the pro-life movement have to say to young women in particular?

We got into those and many other subjects.

So here's my conversation with Lila Rose.

Lila Rose. Welcome to this stage at Catholic University, and welcome to interesting times.

Thank you so much. I'm thrilled to be here, both for Catholic University and the interesting times that we're in.

That's right. And we're here to discuss the politics of abortion, the position of the pro-life movement a few years after Rovi Wade was overturned.

I want to know what you think the pro-life future looks like here in the second Trump administration.

But since this is a podcast, I'm going to start by asking you a little bit about your own biography. So you're the founder

of live action, a pro-life organization, and you founded it when you were 15 years old.

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