Hey, everybody. Welcome back. My guest this week is Andrew Bumblelo, professional runner for the Nike Bowerman Track Club here in Portland, Oregon.

He and I went out for a really awesome long run in the Tillamook Forest just this past weekend in what turned out to be the longest run of his athletic career, which is funny to think about as somebody who has dominated the road

and track scene going back to when he was a kid coming out of Tennessee, being a division

one athlete at Georgetown University and transitioning to life as a professional runner.

It was an honor to show him the magic of trail running this past weekend,

and I hope the bug has bit him. But this conversation barely touches that. We talk a lot more

about the human side of sport, and I hope it's become clear that that's really the thing I'm most

interested in touching on with this podcast, whether it's sport,

entrepreneurship, life in general, is just learning more about the human beings behind

the achievements, behind the accolades. And Andrew was very open and honest in this conversation

about the highs and lows.

We talk mostly about this idea of sort of confronting our athletic mortality.

He's 33 years old, I'm 34, he's been through a lot of injury.

I've been through my fair share just in the past year as well. And this was the major theme of our

conversation when we were running together. And, you know, the idea of thinking about what's next

when you've devoted your life to a singular mission for such a long time as Andrew has.

I think it's just something that's really worthwhile to explore and

something that I wish pro athletes had more guidance on. So I hope this conversation might help

one or two people out there who might confront this in their lives as well. But I think the

message is relevant for anybody.

Just how to be better in what you do professionally,

how to understand how things evolve,

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