Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest,

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process,

on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran in litigation against Arby's for using one of your song lyrics in their new slogan or else a scrappy upstart, being sued by the former members of the band Kansas for copyright infringement, this is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most an iron-clad excuse to put off

actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the fourth Friday of 24, and I thank you for joining us.

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