An NSI Conversation on U.S.-China Policy
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
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🗓️ 25 May 2019
⏱️ 51 minutes
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Our friends from the National Security Institute at George Mason University stopped by earlier this week to discuss U.S.-China relations. Lester Munson, Jodi Herman, Jameel Jaffer, and Dana Stroul, former Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffers who collaborated and sometimes competed with one another on the Committee, had a lively discussion about Huawei, cyber and tech security, the South China sea, and Uighur internment.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:34.0 | Trying to never looked like it was becoming a liberal democracy. |
| 0:38.6 | It's tempting to believe that a specific idea or a specific policy like engagement might |
| 0:44.6 | turn an authoritarian state from an authoritarian state into a democratic state, but internationally |
| 0:51.2 | we haven't found that to be the case whether you're talking about a small country like |
| 0:54.5 | Cuba or a large country like China. |
| 0:57.1 | So over the years, should we have done more? |
| 0:59.8 | Yeah. |
| 1:00.8 | Could we have done more? |
| 1:02.2 | Absolutely. |
| 1:03.5 | I think it comes down to this when China joined the WTO in 2001. |
| 1:08.9 | We adopted this idea put out there by the trade representative Bob Zellik at the time. |
| 1:14.6 | The China would become a responsible stakeholder in the international system by virtue of its |
| 1:18.9 | economic engagement. |
| 1:21.0 | And as a result, we took a step back on the democracy and human rights issues in the |
| 1:26.6 | interim waiting for liberal values to take hold and we can see now very clearly looking |
| 1:32.1 | back that they didn't. |
| 1:35.2 | I'm Michaela Fogel and this is the LawFair podcast May 25, 2019. |
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