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Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics and life.

My name is Freddie Gray. I'm the deputy editor of the spectator. I am delighted to be

joined today by Luke Thompson, who is a Republican strategist, and we're going to be talking about

the primaries in America last night. Now, Luke, you're actually quite involved in these primaries,

and particularly in the primary in Pennsylvania.

You were an advisor David McCormack, who, as things stand, it looks like it's going down to a recount, a pretty tense and fiercely fought race.

So we're awaiting the outcome of that.

But it seems to me, looking from this side of the Atlantic,

that there is a strong desire to say that this is a sort of bloody nose

for Trumpism within the Republican movement

because Madison Cawthorne was beaten

and Mehmet Oz, the Trump-back candidate,

has not clearly or comprehensively won.

Would you say that's an accurate way of looking at it?

Well, to clarify, I was an advisor to a Super PAC that was supporting Dave McCormick.

So I was not involved in the campaign.

In American election law, it allows for independent groups to buy advertising to support or oppose individual

candidates. I helped one of those that supported Dave McCormick. Yeah, I understand that there's a

great hunger for broad narratives and specifically a broad narrative that says that any night, every

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