We have in the White House somebody who feels unconstrained by law, by the Constitution, and by anything.

And as long as that persists, we're going to be in great peril domestically, but internationally as well.

We are, Nicole, doing what I have called, committing superpower suicide.

Hi, everyone, and welcome to the Best People podcast.

This week's guest is a one woman in Florida force.

She's served as the United States ambassador to the United Nations.

She's served as President Barack Obama's National Security Advisor. She's served as President Barack Obama's National Security

Advisor. She's served as President Joe Biden's head of the Domestic Policy Council. She's written

about her personal journey to all those powerful places in a way that shares more humanity

than most people in public life. Without any further ado,

this is the Best People podcast. And this is Susan Rice. Thank you for being here.

It's great to be with you, Nicole. Thank you.

I think of you as sort of the proverbial badass who's done it all and seen it all. But I also think of you as someone

who has written about what it feels like to be in a position of power and what it feels like

to have a family divided by our politics and someone who really doesn't just observe our

polarization, but is sort of seeing what it's doing to every corner and facet of American life.

And before we get to your thoughts and your counsel and your wisdom, what are you feeling in this moment?

Honestly, like many people, I'm feeling angry. I'm feeling despair. And I'm feeling deep, deep

concern about the direction of our country and our role in the

world. At the same time, I really do believe that we've been through very, very difficult

times in our past, and we are an incredibly resilient country. And nobody has ever won

over the long term betting against the United States

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